Rolling Stones guitarist Keith Richards admitted that working with his ’80s band, the X-Pensive Winos, gave him a new appreciation for Mick Jagger.

The band was created when the Stones were on hiatus due to tension between him and Jagger.

In a new interview with Rolling Stone, Richards said, “What I was happy about was that I could step out of the Stones and just as easily step back in. But I learned a lot about being a frontman. I appreciated it a lot more – Mick’s angle on things – onstage especially. It widened my perspective of what everybody has to do in a band. It gave me more respect for the frontman.”

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